Hi everybody, I would like to calculate the omit map around the ligand. I followed the documentation http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/autobuild.htm#anch159 But the 2Fo density around the ligand is very poor. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Mary Make a SA-omit map around atoms in target.pdb phenix.autobuild data=data.mtz model=coords.pdb omit_box_pdb=target.pdb composite_omit_type=sa_omit Coefficients for the output omit map will be in the file resolve_composite_map.mtz in the subdirectory OMIT/ . An additional map coefficients file omit_region.mtz will show you the region that has been omitted. (Note: be sure to use the weights in both resolve_composite_map.mtz and omit_region.mtz).
But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined.
Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes surrounding
protein residues. Is there a way to control this?
The omit map of the water molecule in the binding site is also poor.
Thanks
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:21 -0400, Desi Mail wrote:
But the 2Fo density around the ligand is very poor.
perhaps your ligand is disordered
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Can't you just delete your ligand from the pdb file?
Jacob
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Desi Mail
But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined. Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes surrounding protein residues. Is there a way to control this?
The omit map of the water molecule in the binding site is also poor.
Thanks
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Ed Pozharski
wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 10:21 -0400, Desi Mail wrote:
But the 2Fo density around the ligand is very poor.
perhaps your ligand is disordered
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Desi Mail
But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined.
Phase bias can do that sometimes... it might really be there, but you can't trust the final refined maps too much. What did the map look like before you placed the ligand?
Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes surrounding protein residues. Is there a way to control this?
Yes, instead of using AutoBuild for this, run phenix.refine with the default strategy (tailored appropriately for your structure if necessary) plus simulated annealing, using a model with the only ligand and any important waters deleted. The output map should be exactly what you want. -Nat
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 11:41 -0400, Desi Mail wrote:
But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined. Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes surrounding protein residues. Is there a way to control this?
The omit map of the water molecule in the binding site is also poor.
BTW, do you mean 2Fo-Fc map, not 2Fo? And what exactly you mean by poor density? Don't know if the box size can be changed, but if you want to omit just the ligand, follow Jacob's suggestion - omit the ligand and run simulated annealing to remove bias. In theory, the observed behavior suggests model bias. What's the resolution? -- "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling." Julian, King of Lemurs
Yes. It is 2Fo-Fc map. The resolution is 1.36 with 97% completeness.
I have attached three small screen shots to clarify your suggestions.
lig density-ref11.tif- 2Fo-Fc map before ligand fitting
lig omit density.tif - map after omitting the ligand from the final pdb.
density-no lig.tif - map without the ligand using the final pdb
Thanks
Mary
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ed Pozharski
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 11:41 -0400, Desi Mail wrote:
But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined. Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes surrounding protein residues. Is there a way to control this?
The omit map of the water molecule in the binding site is also poor.
BTW, do you mean 2Fo-Fc map, not 2Fo? And what exactly you mean by poor density?
Don't know if the box size can be changed, but if you want to omit just the ligand, follow Jacob's suggestion - omit the ligand and run simulated annealing to remove bias.
In theory, the observed behavior suggests model bias. What's the resolution?
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You may want to adjust contouring level On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 13:23 -0400, Mary wrote:
Yes. It is 2Fo-Fc map. The resolution is 1.36 with 97% completeness. I have attached three small screen shots to clarify your suggestions. lig density-ref11.tif- 2Fo-Fc map before ligand fitting lig omit density.tif - map after omitting the ligand from the final pdb. density-no lig.tif - map without the ligand using the final pdb
Thanks Mary
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ed Pozharski
wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 11:41 -0400, Desi Mail wrote: > But the 2Fo map around the ligand without omit is well defined. > Phenix defines a very big box around the target pdb-includes > surrounding protein residues. Is there a way to control this? > > The omit map of the water molecule in the binding site is also poor. > BTW, do you mean 2Fo-Fc map, not 2Fo? And what exactly you mean by poor density?
Don't know if the box size can be changed, but if you want to omit just the ligand, follow Jacob's suggestion - omit the ligand and run simulated annealing to remove bias.
In theory, the observed behavior suggests model bias. What's the resolution?
-- "I'd jump in myself, if I weren't so good at whistling."
Julian, King of Lemurs
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Hi Mary, there was almost exactly the same question on phenixbb a couple of days ago. Try doing it differently and see what happens: step 1: remove ligand from PDB file phenix.pdbtools model.pdb remove="chain X and resseq 123" or set its occupancy to 0 (which is not 100% equivalent but close): phenix.pdbtools model.pdb occupancy.set=0 selection="chain X and resseq 123" step 2: run SA refinement using phenix.refine: phenix.refine model.pdb data.mtz model_no_ligand.pdb simulated_annealing=true step 3: load a map created by above run into Coot: how different it is from the map that you get from phenix.autobuild run? Pavel. PS1.: I will add a test that will assert that both ways (the above one and using phenix.autobuild) give similar results. PS2.: You probably meant mFo-DFc map or 2mFo-DFc (and not 2Fo)? On 6/3/11 7:21 AM, Desi Mail wrote:
Hi everybody,
I would like to calculate the omit map around the ligand. I followed the documentation http://www.phenix-online.org/documentation/autobuild.htm#anch159
But the 2Fo density around the ligand is very poor.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks Mary
Make a SA-omit map around atoms in target.pdb
phenix.autobuild data=data.mtz model=coords.pdb omit_box_pdb=target.pdb composite_omit_type=sa_omit Coefficients for the output omit map will be in the file resolve_composite_map.mtz in the subdirectory OMIT/ . An additional map coefficients file omit_region.mtz will show you the region that has been omitted. (Note: be sure to use the weights in both resolve_composite_map.mtz and omit_region.mtz).
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